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As a matter of routine, we receive hate mail from homosexuals, often accompanied by foul language and threats of violence. We do not usually receive the same nonsense from those who call themselves Christians. So, we are publishing the full two emails, including content and spelling, from a supposed ‘Christian’, as an example of how grossly wrong their views can be when they ignore scripture and rely only on ‘gay’ propaganda. They can do immense harm.

Readers should compare what this woman says (name omitted) to what we at BTM have been saying for many years. You will find that her criticisms are grossly wild and inaccurate, and are certainly the views held by ‘gays’... who, in the main, hate Christian talk and biblical arguments. God says we may know believers by the way they act and talk, and what this woman says is definitely not scriptural. Is she a hardened superficial (fake) ‘Christian’? Or is she genuine? I do not know. But, whatever she is, she is very, very wrong.

She complains that our entire written output is just about homosexuality, even though she evidently has not read it all. Her complaint is just as wildly inaccurate as her other claims. Our total number of articles rises weekly, so by the time people read this, the actual number will already be greater than the number I give here... our total number of articles (many of which are not yet on our website) is well over 1400. The number concerned with homosexuality? According to this woman, all we ever write about is homosexuality... in fact the number on this topic runs to... 21! Yes, just 21. Frankly, I find the subject matter to be so distasteful and repugnant that I refuse to write much more on it, except when the news demands it.

All she seems to have read is our front page pieces, based on news items. Yes, there have been quite a few of these in the past few years, prompted not by our hatred for ‘gays’ but by their own wicked actions and hatred for Christians and God. My answers to this woman’s gross inaccuracies are given in amongst her own words. My comments will begin with ‘KBN Comments’, and will be in bold lettering; the paragraphs will be in justified form. The rest is the wording, unaltered, by the woman. You must choose for yourself if her accusations are true... but I think you will discover that her ‘arguments’ are taken almost wholesale from gay propaganda, and constitute a hot rant rather than a reasoned argument. The woman will be addressed as ‘DW’... these refer to the name she has given to us, but in our experience gays and pro-gays rarely give their actual names or email addresses. DW commented on ‘The heathen rage against Christian opposition to homosexuality’, published on our Christian Doctrine website.

Note: Displaying all the hallmarks of gay propaganda, DW says that our articles against homosexuality are nothing but hatred. What she is REALLY saying is that any criticism of homosexuality is hateful. I therefore ask her if it is hatred when a doctor identifies cancer and advises a patient what to do? Is it hatred when a court identifies a thief to be a thief, and imprisons him? Is it hatred to warn a child not to eat foxgloves which can kill him, or to warn him against consorting with paedophile strangers? All we do at BTM is warn others of a gross, heinous sin that God Himself declares to be anathema, cursed, sending its practitioners to hell. Is it ‘love’ to allow someone to continue in grave sin, to end up in hell, without at least speaking out? DW is badly in need of counsel, as are any Christians who accept homosexuality as ‘good’, when the Lord says otherwise. There is nothing good about homosexuality. To say otherwise is a foul calumny against God, His word, and His people who obey.

Email One

I am curious - how did you come to the conclusion that homosexuality is the only sin known to humanity - and the source of all evil?

KBN Comments: Where did DW get this idea from? It is certainly not found in our aims, declarations or articles!

It is very clear from this website that this is your central belief. Nothing else counts. There are no other "sinners" in the world - only homosexuals. All crimes, all misdeeds, all social problems, all acts of wrong-doing are to be blamed solely on homosexuals. Thus every possible measure to fight homosexuals, to restrict their movements, to lock them up, to silence them, indeed to put them to death, appears to be warranted in your eyes.

KBN Comments: Wow! This is a litany of wrong views! It is not our ‘central belief’... try reading our list of beliefs, and you will not find any reference to homosexuality. Nowhere in our literature do we say homosexuals are the only sinners. Nowhere do we say they are responsible for all the evils in the world. It IS true, however, that currently homosexuals are wreaking havoc in the world, through governments, and by encouraging God-hating laws that victimise Christians. Yes, they SHOULD be restricted in speech and in many of their actions, in public, because they harm all of society and children, and are immoral.

We do not advocate locking up ‘gays’, only a silencing of their propaganda in a public place or space. They NEVER offer balanced views, only their own evil words. I would advocate legal action against them if they harm children. God says that homosexuals are ‘worthy of death’. They offend His laws and morality and are wicked in the extreme, as Romans 1 testifies. This is God’s prerogative, not mine. The only time I would call for the death penalty for homosexuals is if they are guilty of secretly and deliberately infecting children or the opposite sex with a fatal disease – which homosexuals are full of. This is because to infect with a fatal disease is the same as murdering them instantly... the end result is the death of the victim, so it is equal to first degree murder.

I realise that you are based in Wales but I see too that many Christians in the United States have now adopted this utterly revolutionary, highly original new form of "Christianity". The Web is full of sites - for example those connected with your prophet and visionary Scott Lively - which espouse exactly the same position. All of existence seems to be a titanic battle against homosexuals.

KBN Comments: There is nothing ‘revolutionary’ about these views – they are the views of all of the world (with few exceptions, such as when Greek nations adopted homosexuality for its soldiers. Such nations always fell because of it) throughout the centuries! Genuine Christians have always taught that homosexuality is sinful and wrong, to be removed from the churches, by casting out and shunning.

Scott Lively is not our ‘prophet’, and we only pass on news items about his activities, because we agree with them. And yes, there IS a ‘titanic battle’ going on... this is because homosexuals have tried to crush and destroy all and any Christian witness against their wickedness. It is THEY who have forced the issue and deliberately attacked Christians and their values.

But, for our ministry, this is only a very small part of our work. Our main interest is to teach true doctrine. And if gay wickedness crosses our path in this respect, we WILL oppose it, as any genuine believer should. Your own antagonism to this is irrelevant and does not interest me in the slightest, because what you say is indicative of pro-gay propaganda and not scripture.

To my mind, to be honest, the links to Christianity seem very tenuous - and the "faith" represented by Christian Doctrine in fact appears very similar to all those innumerable video games pouring out of ... yes, the United States. They all feature some band of fighters struggling against a dangerous mass of evil-doers. In fact, the more I look at it, Christian Doctrine is identical to these video games: in this particular case, it's the brave Christians of America, inspired by the one and only precept of their religion - "Thou shalt hate the homosexual" - struggling everywhere to vanquish and eradicate Evil Gays.

KBN Comments. You should wake up and smell the coffee! Your assessment is one made from ignorance. I have no idea about ANY video games and have never seen or tried them. I personally wrote against homosexuality from the 1970s, starting from a psychiatric context (as I was a psychiatric professional). I was the first Christian writer to research how AIDS (then unnamed but referred to as the ‘gay plague’) was being deliberately mishandled and misrepresented by gays and governments, and showed how this wicked deception was going to kill many millions. This has turned out to be true.

But, after I published my arguments I stopped. I only ever argue against gay propaganda when it comes up with more new ideas and hatred towards Christians and God. Indeed, I have publicly stated that I have no interest in being a campaigner or leader against such evil people. Hate gays? No, you will not find ONE example of this in any of my literature!

All we do is provide the facts. It is true that I sincerely hope homosexuality will indeed be vanquished, because of the harm it does to the world and especially Christians. But, how this is done is left to God. Meanwhile if I meet gays I speak civilly to them and act courteously (as any of my past working colleagues can testify). But, it was always gays who initiated hatred towards me or Christians, whether we spoke out or not. I never did anything of the sort in retaliation. I do not hate homosexuals, but I loathe what they say and do. This is a reasonable response to an evil and dangerous sin.

But I remain curious ... where does this come from? How did it all come about? I urge you to write up the history of this new religion. Maybe, being based in Wales, you draw inspiration from its independent Chapel tradition, yet somehow that seems highly unlikely to me.. And let us not trouble ourselves with the notion that this is "Biblical". The Bible has very, very little to say about homosexuality; and there is indeed no Hebrew or Greek word which means "homosexuality". Nor does any text in the Bible support the idea that loathing gays is the sole moral imperative governing life. However, a quick glance at this site shows that you are truly interested only in homosexuality and the evil it embodies - and nothing else. I can't help noting that it's the United States which produces not only all the video games but also all the interesting sects which have been successful over the past 200 years - the Mormons, the Christian Scientists, the Jehova's Witnesses, the Seventh Day Adventists - and now it's the era of the ... Gay-Haters? The Hetero-Saints? The Homo-Killers? What do you call yourselves?

KBN Comments: Oh, how hard it is to keep answering such garbage! There is no new religion... opposition to homosexuality is biblical, and arose thousands of years before Jesus preached the Gospel! But, you are blinded to this by gay propaganda. Oh yes it IS ‘biblical’! Please read all my articles on the subject, and you will find plenty of biblical references.

As for the word ‘homosexuality’, do not delude yourself. The word is of fairly recent origin. Look at ‘sodomy’ and ‘Sodom’ and you will find homosexuality writ large! The sin also comes under other terms... see the warnings against men laying with men, women with women and animals, and so on... the penalty at that time was death.

Yes, you have indeed only given our website a “quick glance”, and this explains your ignorance of what we actually say! We are not interested in homosexuality itself, but the wicked activities against God and Christians, and the aim of seducing society to the ways of evil, require a response. What do we call ourselves? We call ourselves genuine believers, Christians as described in scripture. Drop the ‘gay hating’ persona you label us with... we do not hate gays! However, be warned, for God Himself says He hates homosexuals, and all who sin without repentance... their end being hell. (No doubt you will conveniently not see those words – “all who sin”).

Well, at any rate, you represent the vanguard of faith - the new religion - the future. Your relentless anti-gay crusade is now overwhelming the "mainstream" Churches and they are more and more adopting the new "gay-focused" vision of the world. The same seems to be happening in Islam too. People of faith across the board are crying out for One Enemy, one single embodiment of all evil whom (which?) they can hate - fight - resist - denounce - day and night. And you are successfully leading the way.

KBN Comments: Do not be so dramatic! We represent genuine biblical faith and beliefs. You represent gay propaganda. What other religions believe (false religions by the way) does not concern me. But, their moral stand is good for society as a whole. Homosexuals are indeed the enemy of God, and of society. This makes them fools in His eyes, and ready for destruction... though many do this to themselves anyway, with AIDS and other fatal diseases. I am leading no-one... and our ministry is not conducting a campaign. All of this idea is in your own mind, and in the propaganda you borrow from gay sources.

I'm not following, I hasten to add. But I see that the new creed of the Homo-Haters is prevailing everywhere.

KBN Comments: Again, do not be so dramatic. What is becoming prevalent is gay propaganda and gay violence against morality and faith. Because of their vicious attacks, Christians everywhere must stand firm and speak out. It is the actions of homosexuals that bring this about. And, anyway, Christians are bound by God to stand against evil. Calling us ‘homo-haters’ is an interesting indication that you are being hateful yourself – this much is obvious in your emails. Perhaps you do not understand how your own psyche betrays your true attitude and mental affiliations.

The other thing that makes me very curious is what you really Plan To Do With The Gays - and what happens afterwards. Do you want them all rounded up and subjected to some sort of process of "euthanasia"? As we could see on British television last week, in Russia Christians today believe that gays should be actively "hunted" - presumably to extinction. Do you share that approach? Or maybe they should be placed in re-education camps and somehow forced to "turn" heterosexual? Or maybe subjected to surgical and pharmaceutical interventions to "neuter" them and rob them of sexual and erotic instincts? And then what? Once you have eliminated the problem of the Evil Gays, what do you think the world will look like? Paradise? Eden? According to your spiritual vision, all sin will then have vanished from the world because all gays will have "vanished" - therefore, all sin will have become unimaginable. So would that mean that the gay-free world you dream of would be a totally virtuous place?

KBN Comments: I think perhaps you are on a different planet. Sin will remain with the world – and get worse – until the end of time. You seem to have a very odd idea of sin, disconnected from scripture and reality. What do I plan to do with gays? I plan nothing – let God deal with them! And He will. Personally I want to see all homosexual talk and activity removed from the public place. Let homosexuals do what they will do anyway – but in hidden places, away from decency and children, and all who prefer morality to filth.

Hunt gays? No, we do not advocate that. We simply want freedom to speak out against homosexuality. If people wish to follow homosexual ways after knowing the truth, that is up to them. Even if we return to morality and a ban on public displays of anything homosexual, sin will still abound. It will get far worse than this. Perhaps you should read your Bible. Properly.

As for being ‘gay free’ – that would be wonderful, but I know that men and women will still chase after evil sexual means. Let them do so in private. I can assure you that if that happens, fewer and fewer people would turn to their disgusting activities. This is because what they do is abnormal, leading to mental imbalances and unreal demands. So yes, it would be wonderful to have a world free of all sexual improprieties, but particularly of homosexuality in all its guises, because it is so rampant and ‘in your face’. But, it will not happen.

Email Two

For heaven's sake! Scott Lively believes that all gays should be PUT TO DEATH. Executed. Murdered. Maybe after some sort of "trial" - but killed, all the same. And that is exactly what you at "Christian Doctrine" believe likewise - so please have the courage to acknowledge and stand up for your own beliefs.

KBN Comments: I find DW’s comments weird! They have no basis in reality and are blatant lies! Scott Lively has NEVER called for gays to be put to death. He even opposed the idea from the Ugandan government. DWs ideas come straight (excuse the pun) from the rant pages of gay propaganda. At BTM we do not support the idea of the death penalty except for murder, of ANY kind. Hence our support for the death penalty for gays who deliberately infect children and females with AIDS. If they infect other gays, so be it. DW is in a world of her own.

Mr Lively went to Uganda 5 years ago with other American Christian leaders to persuade the Ugandans to enact laws making homosexuality a capital crime. He was very successful - legislation of the type he favors was quickly introduced by the Ugandan Parliament. Some gays have been murdered already; although the full-scale judicial genocide favored by "Dr" Lively and the churches has yet to be implemented officially. Nevertheless, that is why the Centre for Constitutional Rights launched its court action.

KBN Comments: No, Lively did not! He even opposed the Ugandan laws that proposed death for homosexuals. To say gays have already been murdered is more gay propaganda... they have been gays killed by fellow gays! No – the Centre for Constitutional Rights have brought what most courts would call a ‘frivolous’ action against Lively. He is merely quoting scriptural teaching and certainly has not proposed death for homosexuals, though, to us, the death penalty for giving a fatal disease to innocents is well deserved. But, so is the death penalty for other murders, whether by gays or by heterosexuals.

You know full well that if some American homosexual went around the world telling citizens of other countries to persecute and kill Christians, you would support similar legal action against him or her. Well, as we all know, that is exactly what Scott Lively does with reference to our gay and lesbian fellow human beings. He lives and breathes homophobia - his fanatic hatred of homosexuals knows no bounds.

KBN Comments: If we took such action it would be normal, in response to actual hatred and violence. But, gays do it because they hate Christians and loathe morality – they have no interest in the law as such. Gays already oppress and persecute Christians! Lively does not live and breath ‘homophobia’ (itself a stupid term to use). Like any other pastor he has many more things to talk about, but he feels compelled to oppose gays at this time because of the fascist way they act throughout the world.

Likewise, you at "Christian Doctrine" choose to concentrate on homosexuality too: the ferocity of your rage and hatred is focused exclusively on Evil Gays, day and night. Scott Lively wishes that all Christians around the world will rise up and fall on their gay neighbors and kill every last one of them: and he and his fellow-believers at the Westboro Baptist Church and countless other Christian institutions in the US (such as "Christian Doctrine") have now made a point of taking their crusade to the world. They desire nothing short of the mass-killing of all gays everywhere.

KBN Comments: Eh? Look at the number of articles we have published against homosexuality... almost nil compared to our total output. You are making wild and unsubstantiated accusations, just venting your spleen, because you have no idea what God says about this vile sin.

For myself I would love NOT to speak about homosexuality for ANY reason, because it is such a foul subject... but I will certainly stand against homosexuality when it causes me harm (which it has on numerous occasions, without provocation) and harm to the rest of society.

Your assessment of both Lively’s and our aims and desires is so far-fetched as to be ludicrous. No doubt readers will see this for themselves. As I said, you need to wake up and smell the coffee, because what you think is real is just your dream, based on lies, deception and gross indecency. For goodness sake, DW, start to think rationally! We do not want ‘mass killing’ – but we would dearly support stopping them spreading their wickedness without allowing Christians to speak out. And we would love to see ALL pro-gay laws removed, so that they were truly viewed in the human market place of ideas and activities.

Are you surprised that some gays choose to defend themselves? Wouldn't you do the same? Additionally, some of us - whether connected with the Center for Constitutional Rights, or living in other parts of the world subjected to the crusading antics of Scott Lively and other American evangelists - simply do not accept your version of "Christianity". We do not hate homosexuals - at all. We do not see them as the source of all evil in the world. We do not consider them to be mankind's only sinners - nor do we regard them as beasts. Most importantly, we have no wish to kill them or assist crazy American Christians to kill them. We like living alongside them. We value them as normal, decent human beings - no worse and no better than the rest of us. That is why legal action against Mr Lively and his murderous schemes is altogether just and warranted.

KBN Comments: I must say you take my breath away with such audacious lies. Gays are not ‘defending themselves’. They are following a very evil plan (‘After the Ball’) set up in the 1990s to destroy Christians and anything that is moral. They failed to make an impact with their early definition of so-called ‘homophobia’ (fear of homosexuality), so they changed it to ‘hatred of homosexuals’... a drastic and totally unreal way to use the word, which is a new one coined by gays anyway.

Gay activists have regularly and always invented ‘attacks’ against themselves so as to gain sympathy. As was proved clearly by the case brought by the UK’s Gay police association – they lied to gain sympathy and could not provide a single proof that any officer had been attacked or even discriminated against! Gays do this all the time. The idea is not about protecting themselves – it is solely a way to destroy anyone and anything that gets in the way of their insane desire to have total sexual freedom and, ultimately, anarchy.

No, they are not mankind’s only sinners, and we have never, ever said they are. Do we regard them as beasts? No – beasts act in a better way! But, we do see what they do as foul and wicked. No, we do not wish to kill them.

Do we like living alongside homosexuals? Personally, no, I do not. All I see is trouble from homosexuals. So long as we stand up for decency and morality, they will attack us. If homosexuals came to live next door we would say nothing to them about their sin. We would be polite and courteous, but nothing more. So long as they do not vaunt their evil before us, we will say nothing to them. No worse and no better? Correct! Each of us can be swayed into a path of sin. But, mostly, ‘ordinary’ sin is covered up and hidden, because of shame – but gays have no shame, though it is well deserved.

Gays want everyone to be subjected to their form of sexualisation and evil acts. Most also come along with foul language. And in ‘gay pride’ parades they act so lewdly they ought to be arrested. Are they ‘normal’? No, they are not... how can they be when homosexuality is abnormal? Homosexuality causes men and women to think badly and wrongly, and if they remain in their sin (which most do not, because they dislike it and return to normality – heterosexuality), they become mentally unbalanced. This can range from anxiety to suicide. All homosexuals show signs of imbalance.

As for the court case against Lively, this is NOT justified in any sense. It has been brought to silence someone for his Christian views, nothing more. It has nothing to do with wanting legal recompense. It is just vengeful hatred against Christians and God. DW - as the writer of these two emails, you show a distinct ignorance concerning what homosexuality is and what it does, and a grave sinful desire to uphold what God condemns quite clearly in His word. We pray that homosexuality will be quickly removed from public view.

© February 2014

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